As always, please give credit to the amazing translators when you share this around. Without them, we would have to rely only on our Humanoid Translator Boyfriend Google, and while he is cute, he does wonky things with his umlauts. Credit to loveth-music.com
Not from this world
He’s loved or hated, nobody stays unaffected by him: Tokio-Hotel-Singer Bill Kaulitz is on the way to become a global superstar. For the first time the matured Musician talks about the burden of Fame, his fears, the longing for true love – and presents himself in a completely new Look.
Mister Kaulitz, You became a star at the age of 15 and since 5 years you’re living permanently under exceptional circumstances. When you look back, what do you feel?
The first years were like a flush. We didn’t have to go to school anymore, because it was besieged all the time. I, of course, thought that this was great. We could do what we wanted. But there was also an other side. I remember, that I wanted to celebrate my 16th birthday, but instead I had to give some interviews. It’s hard to develop this discipline and to accomodate to such things, it was exhausting.
2 years ago you lost your voice during a concert and you had to undergo a surgery. Now you’re on tour with your band Tokio hotel and you’ll play 32 concerts in 19 countries. How big is the fear that this’ll happen again?
I always carry this fear in me, it never leaves me. But I already played some concerts since then. It’ll work out.
Back then, did you think that you won’t be able to sing again in the future?
Sometimes yes. My whole life is based on my voice, that’s why it was such a horrible time. I was sitting alone in my hotel room in Berlin while the Band waited for me to return to Barcelona, to continue the Tour. I couldn’t even talk. I couldn’t even get out, because the whole Hotel had been surrounded by Paparazzi. I felt very helpless. The tour had to be cancelled. I’m glad that this is behind me now.
Tokio hotel was ridiculed as a short-lived teen sensation at the beginning. Meanwhile you’re on the best way to become global superstars. Is it a satisfaction for you, that you could show the critics that they were wrong?
I’m over this now. It was important for me to prove that we’re not one of those one-hit-wonders when our second album has been released. Now we clarified this.
You played in Paris in front of a crowd of 500 000 people, after you got an invitation from the state president. What do you feel in such moments?
I’m really, really nervous before concerts. It constricts my throat, my heart beats fast and my hands are shaking. Then, when I’m on stage, everything happens as if you’re in trance. After the concert I often don’t know what I did on stage. The movements kind of happen automatically.
You’re under permanent observation, also through the Paparazzi. Is this a fulfillment or a impertinence for you?
I can’t live with fame, and I can’t live without it. There are days, where I wish I could walk on the streets without being discovered. But what should I do? Bill Kaulitz as an office worker, sitting in front of the computer – I would become dilapidated. I do the things, that I do best. Standing on a stage and entertaining people. I get anxious when I watch TV and see an award show where Tokio Hotel aren’t present. I want to be on the top. That’s my internal force. It’s what’s holding me together.
Your Band polarizes the mass. One either hates or loves you…
…and that’s how it should be. The most horrible thing that could happen is when people wouldn’t care about me or what I did anymore. Tokio Hotel should arouse strong emotions in a person. Of course I could dress normally in the morning, to not stand out, but that’s simply not who I am.
Is there just an artificial Bill?
It’s not that I’m startled when I look into the mirror in the morning, but the Bill who wears make-up is much closer to me. But I’m also not just an artificial character, like many people still think. The ones who make the effort to look at old pictures of my childhood will see that I always ran around like this.
You grew up in a village with 700 inhabitants near Magdeburg with your twin brother Tom.
My childhood was a long struggle. I knew that by stepping into the school bus in the morning, that one half would laugh about me and the other one would insult me. My brother Tom and I felt like aliens on the wrong planet. Sometimes our step father had to get us from the bus stop with our dog and a baseball bat, so that we wouldn’t get beaten up.
Did you search this provocation?
Of course. I didn’t make life easy for me. I wanted to provoke them. I enjoyed it when I stepped into school in the morning and when one half of our classmates turned around. I know it sounds a little neurotic and sick, but that’s how it was. I could have never lived with the fact that everyone likes me, because I grew up with polarizing people.
Did the hatred towards you surprise you at the beginning of your career?
When I watch our old Performances and Videos I start to wonder. We were so young and innocent and had those baby-faces. And then there was this enormous hatred towards us. It wasn’t just one that people called me a “fag”. Today I find it amusing. I understand that some people had this expression, but that the newspapers still write about this makes me wonder. It has to bore the people to death by now.
Maybe that happens because you never show yourself in company of a women?
Yes, that’s the big gap in my life. I didn’t fall in love since I was fourteen. It’s hard for me to trust people. It may sound clichee, but I’m looking for a girl who’s like a soulmate for me. I’m very romantic and I’m actually waiting for my true love. But I could vomit when girls walk up to me at a party and ask me questions like “Hey, don’t I know you from somewhere. Aren’t you a musician?”. That’s a moment where I tense up – but honestly, I don’t know how you could start talking to me without this happening.
Your twin brother Tom is more loose when it comes to dealing with female fans. Do you envy him for that?
Of course. I envy everyone who can deal with situations like those more loosely. Back then Tom was the one who took a different girl with him after every After-Show-Party, while I was lying in my bed, back at the hotel. Groupie-Sex disgusts me. I hate it so much when girls start pushing around, just to be on a picture which will be printed in one of the newspapers tomorrow. Tom is different when it comes to this. But sometimes, when I like a girl, I request of him to stay in contact with her, to call and to keep writing short messages with her. We know everything about each other.
How big is the fear that a girl will sell your story to one of the tabloids?
We always calculate this possibility. We know what could happen, so we always phrase the short messages that we send to them, in a way, with which we could live when they would sell this story to the tabloids. That’s just how it is.
Is it even possible for you to lead a normal life in Germany?
For us, Germany is kind of like a huge Big-Brother-House. The people are always watching us. You can find an article in one of the newspapers almost everyday since I’m fifteen. We’re always filling up the gossip columns. Abroad, that’s different. We’re getting perceived as musicians there, not as people who you can gossip about.
Why aren’t you moving away from Germany, like other celebrities?
I like Germany. That’s where my family lives, and that’s where my home is. That’s where I live together with my four dogs and Tom, in a beautiful house with a big property. When I close the gate, I can rest. I wouldn’t have the heart to turn my back on Germany.
We have the impression that you’re loved more abroad, than here.
There’s not a single person in Germany who would listen to our music without having prejudices. There once was a survey on TV, where they let pedestrians listen to our music without knowing who it was from. Most of them were thrilled. As soon as they knew that it’s Tokio Hotel they made a face. That says everything!
A few months ago, your Band-Colleague Gustav got hit with a beer bottle on the head. Are you scared of assassinations?
I think that this could happen to me. There were situations at the red carpet where our Bodyguards had to pull people – who had camouflaged themselves as fans – out of the crowd, because they stood there with a knife in their hands. I’m also always tense while walking through the airport. I keep my head down and breathe heavily. Sometimes I watch myself from the outside and think: “Hey, Bill, relax!” But it doesn’t work.
How do you spend your free-time?
In the past I went to Clubs every now and then because I wanted to be among people. I thought that this had to work, but as soon as I stepped into the Club, I had to sit in one of the booths at the corner and let myself get goggled at by people. They held their mobiles over the barriers and took pictures, as if they were in a zoo. I can only relax when I’m away from all of that. Recently I was on the Maledives with Tom, but even there Paparazzi took pictures of us.
Recently you surprised us with your appearance as a Model during the Fashion Week in Milan. How did it come to this?
It was a dream that I fulfilled for myself. Already at the age of seven I bought cheap T-Shirts and Jeans to make my own clothes out of them. When the time comes, I’ll design my own collection, but I want to do this for real and not just as a job beside doing music.
What do you say to the accusation of you apparently being anorexic?
It bores me. If people made an effort to actually investigate, this wouldn’t be a topic anymore. Just take a look at pictures of me from five years ago or look at old pictures from my vacations. I was as thin back then, as I am today. I’ve always been like this.
Your brother Tom says that you two smoked pot and drank alcohol at the age of 13. How abstinent are you today?
Since I’m really afraid of losing control, drugs never had a chance to make me addicted. I tried a lot of things out at an early age, which is why I can let it go now. I could never play a concert, when having taken something before. That’s unimaginable!
With just 20 years of age you met a lot of other celebrities. Who impressed you the most?
Jay-Z surprised us by watching one of our concerts in L.A. Then we went out to dinner with him. That was great. and Karl Lagerfeld also impressed me. Maybe it sounds silly, but I think I could get along with Britney Spears very well. We kind of led similar lives in the past years, so we’d probably be able to tell each other a lot.
Is it true that you’re a fan of Angela Merkel?
Yes, I like Angela Merkel a lot. Lately she got criticized a lot, but I have to say that I still trust her. I believe in her.
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lol Mister Kaulitz. thats funny. great answers bill your amazing. now im worried tho cuz of the assasonation thing… wow… lol love you Bill
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awww! its so sad that so many things have happened to bill these five years of stardom. Its rediculous thats hes always the gossip when something new happens to him. No one should be treated this way
I wouldnt care wat people thought of me personaliy, im a free spirit, and from wat i know bill is to.
Bill is a superstar, hes a legend, and he deserves this
thnk you for being so honest with us fans billa
We all love you
BRAVO!
~Rai
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I feel so sorry for Bill so many things to worry about while trying to make everyone happy while he is worrying about so many things himself i wish the paparazzi would leave them alone for a second. It scares me how people are like that to him it would just kill me if something like that happened to him or the guys. I really hope Bill will find his true love ^^ i love theses guys so much they are amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3 ^^
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now im scared cause of what could happen to him )”;
it’ll just be the end of the world if that happens
(am i exaggerating?)
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I love this interview, thanks for translating it.
Bill is awesome, and I bet the people who hates them never listen to their music, they hates him just because of his looks.
Bill has a really bad childhood – I think -, but it’s a past story.
Now he has fans who will always support Tokio Hotel no matter what happen, God Bless. :-)
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OMG!!!! I’M SO SCARED THAT SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN TO HIM….I THINK I COULD DIE IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPEN TO HIM…
IT MAKES ME SO SAD THAT HE CAN’T FIND HIS TRUE LOVE, BUT I’M SURE THAT HE WILL FIND IT!!!!! BUT EVERYTHING HAPPEN ON THE RIGHT TIME!!!!! :D
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I had a dream a couple days ago. That I got to interview Tokio Hotel on TV. It was the most amazing dream I’ve had in ages…It was incredible to meet them. (in my dream anyway.) And in my dream, I gave them early Christmas presents because they were such amazing people I got to interview. I gave Bill lots of lollies, Tom, an oversized shirt, Georg a hairbrush and cologne, and a g-string for GUstav that says “I love Gustav”. But I woke up before Bill ate his lollies. Damn.
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ahh i would luv to hav a dream like that ;)
but for sum reazon mi brain duzn’t work right…ignore me
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Can someone please find me this interview in which tom says they had smoked and drank since age 13?
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Go on youtube and search and interview about sex drugs and rock n roll.
It’s back when Bill has his dreads.
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Loved the interview really and insight on his tru self. I had a look at this pic and noticed something…(see if anyone else can see or is it just me) but does it look like Bill got his Ear pierced…tell me wat ya think.
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/6439/twinsq.jpg
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no i dont think so. but he does look hott in that picture xD lol
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eh i can’t tell
but all i can say iz that the twinz look kinda pissed at each other xD
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haha or maybe there communicating telepathically xD
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BILL: “There once was a survey on TV, where they let pedestrians listen to our music without knowing who it was from. Most of them were thrilled. As soon as they knew that it’s Tokio Hotel they made a face. That says everything!”
This really pisses me off—that people can so quickly manipulate their opinions based on such shallowness. You know, when I first laid eyes on TH, and especially Bill, from the Scream CD cover, I was like, “WTF is THAT?” But how can anyone who has HEARD THEIR MUSIC just turn off completely after knowing it’s Tokio Hotel??? One day I hope Bill realizes how many gajillions of people he has enlightened just by being himself.
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=’(!!!!!!!!! i cant belev those people would beat them up when they were little!!! i mean no one i know would do that to anyone!!!! and a bat!!! =’( poor boys!!!! and he cant even go out on his own!!!! he feels like he iz in a zoo!!!! god that is horible, i feel so very bad for them. they should come hang around long island no one will know them exept me and some of mi friends. and i think it is so cute of bill to want his true love. and im angre at all thoz people who say bad things about him for no having a girl… they should stfu.. ok im done sorry long =]
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ugh i agree
if i wuz the same age and lived in the same place and went to the same skool that he did, i would totalli be hiz best friend
[or second cuz Tom'z his first] ;)
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people i knew in school would do that. they were vicious. i dreaded going to school every morning.
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“Mister Kaulitz…”
woa hehe it soundz so weird to call him that! xD
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ikr? I was like, whoa. That’s different from the usual.
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i’m getting really sick of the gay rumors and the anorexic rumors. some people are shy around others, and some people have really high metabolisms. hell, i’m like that! so what if he’s not around the company of women, and dear god get off the anorexia craze! stop criticizing people for who they are, what they’re like and how they dress. everyone has the right to express themselves w/o being harassed! ahhh!
it’s always nice to see interviews like this from bill, and sad too.
and dear god some girls need to get better pick up lines lol xP
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It hurts me inside to hear, read, or even say the things Bill talks about his life. He just scares me but I believe in him that he can make with all of these horrible people on the planet. That right there is truley coming from my heart cuz oh my goodness I cant believe i’m actually crying.
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someone mentioned earlier that finally perez hilton was giving good press to the boys, well i guess that’s over now! you guys should check out the harsh write up he made about tom “only getting fined 1000 euros” for hitting a girl. he even called him a douche. i feel like he really needs to get the facts straight of just how malicious these girls were to the boys before he goes around judging!
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I don’t know why he still bitches about Tokio Hotel but who cares what Perez thinks anyway!!! His comment sounded so contradictory and stupid, like, Tom is a douche to hit the girl but it was ok for those hags to stalk and harrass him and his family? We all know he secretly lusts after Bill!!!! ; )
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yeah, but the bright side is, is that the comments were all pretty much on toms side! im a regular visitor of perezhilton’s (guilty pleasure >.<), and those comments are really harsh 99.9% of the time. always bashing someone. but this post was different, and most of the comments were saying the stalker was wrong etc etc, and they werent even tokio hotel fans!
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Hi everybody!!!
Today I’ve just read that the guys from KISS are Fans of our Tokio hotel guys!!! That’s great!!!!
On a press conference in Frankfurt/Main, Germany Kiss’ bassist Gene Simmons said that they like the music. He said that TH has a good image and that they make good music. That shows how famous TH is in the USA. Besides I am a Kiss fan, too!!
Here’s the link:
http://www.star-nachrichten.de/kiss-sind-fans-von-tokio-hotel-31225
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OMG!! KISS is ROCK GODS!!!! WOW…This made my whole friggin’ years!
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woa SHIT!!
das ist GEILHEIT!! ;D
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I’d love to meet him…I want to be able to be there for him when he’s tense and worried, be there to say “It’s alright” and make him smile :-)
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sweet interveiw… I love bill and I feel bad for him… omg… just as I said that… it started pouring rain outside… woah! thats so cool!!!!!!!!!:D
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i think after this album there going to stop tokio hotel becuase bill wants to do other things away from music like a fasion line-”I’ll design my own collection, but I want to do this for real and not just as a job beside doing music.”
thats why i think we need to treasure the boys now because we dont know how long there going to be doing this.
ill support what ever the guys will do in the end.
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I’m sure there will be a lot more albums out before that happens, but even so…Bill will do an amazing job! can you imagine?
and he’ll probably do it with Tom too. because they’re a team.
and when that happens, I am going to buy the clothes! i wonder if Bill is going to design menswear or womenswear?…maybe both. He has to give his millions of female fans a piece of him that way.
Looking forward owning one of Bill’s leather jacket creations in the future. <3
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I absolutely loved this interview!! See, what set Bill apart from other celebs is that he keeps it 100 percent real. Some celebs won’t reveal nothing about their past unless they have a super-mega TV special about it or need to write a tell-all-story. In every interview, Bill’s honest and that’s why in everyone one you learn something more about it, you fall more in love with him.
But I totes LOL’d when he : “But I could vomit when girls walk up to me at a party and ask me questions like “Hey, don’t I know you from somewhere. Aren’t you a musician?”
COrny pick up line, groupie.
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I second that. What makes me love Bill more than any other singer right now is because he isn’t afraid to be himself, and to tell the world exactly how it is. He’s not ashamed of himself, his past and everything that has made him who he is today.
He’s got a crazy sense of fashion, and he has the guts to flaunt it. Love his energy, but most of all, I love how he’s so genuine. Just a genuine, lovely guy. A guy who deserves so much more than what he has now. He is anything BUT fake.
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I Agree On Both Of You. Like He Said, “And then there was this enormous hatred towards us. It wasn’t just one that people called me a “fag”. Today I find it amusing. I understand that some people had this expression, but that the newspapers still write about this makes me wonder. It has to bore the people to death by now.”
That Pretty Much Means, If Any Non-Tokio-Hotel-Fan Diss’ Him, He Wouldn’t Care Anyway. So They Should Not Waste Their Breath, We’ve Heard It All.
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Great Answers, Bill. It Tells Some of The Non-Fans Out There That Even If You Tell Bad Things To Us, Bill Wouldn’t Care Either.
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Tottaly Pwned Everyone When He Said Jay-Z Went To One of Their Concerts. (;
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bill we will always stand by your side… we wont let anyone hurt you<3333
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my heart breaks for him i truly hope he finds his true love
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AW! <33 Poor Bill Wants Love! (And We'll Give It To Him XD)
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That assasination scared the sh*t out of me. I’m officially freaked out now… why could want to hurt someone as amazing and sweet as him? He never did anything to them… I just… I can’t believe it.
But Bill is an amazing person. He’s so genuine and honest, and he gives thoughtful answers. But his interviews always make me sad… cause I can sort of relate to the whole love thing. Such an incredible person deserves the absolutel best, and I really hope he finds her. I just want him to be happy, because he’s too awesome not to be… ♥
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“Mister Kaulitz” ;)
and does anyone know what survey it is he’s talking about with the people liking the music, but not so much when they found out it was tokio hotel?
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When I read the part about people having knives on the red carpet, I felt like I got punched in the stomach. What kind of sick people would hate or be so obsessed with a person that they’d want to kill them?
I’m just really happy that I got to read this interview. Definitely one of my favorite Bill interviews ever
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I really love interviews like this. Bill is always so honest when he answers, and we usually learn something new in every interview. (Well, in every good interview like this.)
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I love how honest and thoughtful Bill is… but somehow I always feel sad after reading his interviews. ;_; I really hope that he finds his true love, and I’m glad that he respects himself enough to not have groupie sex – that just sounds disgusting, to tell you the truth (sorry, Tom ;P).
It’s just horrible that this 20-year old man who’s never hurt anyone and only made wonderful music and entertained thousands upon thousands of people has to worry about things like assassination. I just don’t understand how someone can be hateful enough to attempt to do that to Bill. o.o
… Anyway, Bill is an amazing musician and a smart, sweet, genuine guy. I’m 120% sure he’ll continue to succeed and get past any obstacles that might stand in his way. <3
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These interviews always give me a melancholy feeling right in the back of my head. It astounds me how honest he is. it’s really amazing. but his world just sounds so sad when he talks about the fear of walking out of his house, and It’s even sadder when he talks about love- it’s sweet, but sad… Poor sweet Bill♥
(Is it not right for me to feel sad for him?)
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Wonderful interview. He’s so honest and thoughtful. I loved his answers, even though some are truly heartbreaking. But my gosh, he is totally strong. So focused. I love it. Bill! ♥
Thank you so much for the translation!
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“There were situations at the red carpet where our Bodyguards had to pull people – who had camouflaged themselves as fans – out of the crowd, because they stood there with a knife in their hands.”
This scares me so much. Makes me sick to my stomach knowing that people did this.
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Me too, oh my God
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same here. itz so terrible! i’m scared 4 him
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Now Bill and Tom get the last laugh…
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woa
just an hour ago a read an article about Lady GaGa getting the last laugh about her fame n stuff like that xD
hehe just thought i’d mention that
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Trying to view the world through the eyes of this boy, and attempting to decipher the natural thirst for determination and amazing strong will in which be chooses to carry himself around with, despite everything he has had to go through in life, is an absolute mystery to me. I don’t know how in the world he does it, but I admire him so much because of this, and am enlightened to know that people like him can actually exist in this mad, mad world…
<333
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Well said <3<3
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You just took my thoughts….articulated them absolutely marvelously, and posted them on this article. :)
Thank you for expressing this.
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I agree. With all that success there comes a price . Bill was open and honest and I liked the interview but I also felt sad after reading it.
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In a million years I couldn’t have expressed that as perfectly as you did here. Thank you, samantha, for saying so beautifully what so many of us share with you.
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i want to know why my replys deleted..why???
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i wanted to answer something about– sa man th as — comment about… she is wishing to see the world through Bills eyes..how he can exist in this mad mad world…,but now someone canceld all my answers. Can somebody help me who done this, or explain me why??.. tank you..
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Now I know what to say to make Bill tense up :P Ugh, seriously. What spoiled children would try to beat up Bill and Tom? If I were Bill or Tom all I would have to say is: WHAT NOW LOSERS, I’m bigger than you now so run away to your mommy (then I would spit of them :D).
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I love Bill sincerity and honesty, but it als breaks my heart to hear that hes scared of going out because he’s afraid of getting hurt:( I praise him for being such a great person I hope that one day he can find that girl he’s been looking for and everything in his life will b okay:)
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Once again I must dry the tears pouring from my eyes…I love Bill’s interviews. He is so sincere and intriguing. This is a fabulous interview, I just wish I was the one asking him those questions. For those who have been blessed enough to get a chance to interview him…I envy you. I just pray for the day when I shall be graced with his presence!! Please Tokio Hotel, bring the awesomeness to AMERICA!!
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OMG I had tears in my eyes reading the part where there stepfather had to wait with a bat and there dog at the bus stop…just so they(Bill&Tom) wouldn’t get beat up…Thats really upsetting:( Bill is truly one of a kind…I Luv Him!
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I feel bad for him, to be honest. The fact that he cant be with someone, and know if they want him, or his fame…
Theyre all amazing guys, with amazing talent, but what comes with the fame doesnt seem fair.
And the fact that people want to kill them…because of the influence they have on people? Its ridiculous, i love TH and everything, i just wish they could be able to walk outside without people just walking up them, or not giving them space.
Like in the Maldives…the pics are great, but shouldnt they deserve some time away from fame without some jerkwad paparazzi in the background looking for the latest gossip?
Theyre humans too…this interview proves it more than anything.
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This interview is so sad. I totally understand that he feels alone although he is crowded with people and fans. And the fact that his country don’t support the most amazing and loved band around the world is totally depressing. I just think they are brave; they don’t give up on their music althouhg we fans, paparazzi’s etc. annoy them. They just rock!!
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There is no other guy out there like Bill… why can’t he just be my boyfriend? -_-
lmfao I’m jking.
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Bill is… amazing.
End of story.
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Wow, I really, really like this interview. This PLUS that photoshoot = ♥♥
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this (for me) was the best interview ever. i hope he finds his soul mate soon. so cool that they went out to dinner with Jay-Z! :D
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Shouldn’t Jay-Z be the one who thought it was cool? Haha I mean, he should have felt honored!!
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maybe he did think it was cool. i wouldn’t know cause i don’t read up on Jay-Z.
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What on earth does Bill have in common with Brittany Spears? I’m confused about that. I loved this interview. Bill is so cool.
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They have a lot in common really, in the sense that they were both in the spotlight from a very young age, quickly gained a whole lot of attention, have been scrutinized and judged for every little thing they have ever said or done, and have been harassed endlessly by the paparazzi and media, as well as the public. I’m sure it might go a little deeper than that but that’s just what I can see from my point of view as an outsider.
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I really admire him for his attitude on one night stands and groupies and such. I know a lot of people think it’s a stupid way of thinking, but it makes me like him and his personality that much more. I also think it’s kind of cute (but still sad) that he gets really nervous around girls like he’s in the seventh grade. I know it’s hard for him to trust people, and I don’t blame him for not letting people in, but I hope someone comes around and changes that.
I think the guys are all very wise for their age considering the kind of lifestyle they lead. I love reading their more serious interviews (though the funny ones are always appreciated) because it gives people an insight into how smart and mature they are. They’re not some retarded teenie band. They know a lot more than other musicians today.
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I admire how he has values that he lives by. Just goes to show what a genuine person he is. and yeah, the guys really are wise for their age considering all the fame stuff. I mean..look at Lindsay Lohan etc. all those young people who are famous. They really get trashed sometimes.
I’m so happy Tokio Hotel have such a passion for music that they aren’t just a one-off sell-out. TOkio Hotel is here to stay! And their lyrics mean so much more to only be considered a teen-band. Their music is universal.
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Love the interview. I like how honest and open Bill is…. it’s like finding out what makes him tick… LOVE IT!
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Exactly. Finding out what makes him tick. That’s the phrase I was looking for.
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i really that bill can be honest, too. great interview!!!
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i totally agree…